The role-play, Where did he go wrong, located on pages BP-16 and BP-17 of your Bulk-Pack Materials, examines whether or not the college a person attends makes that person respected, successful, and competitive. Some people think people who go to "big-name" universities have an edge when competing against people who go to "lesser-name" schools. For example, imagine graduates of Harvard University and Pace University competing for one available spot at a certain law firm. Will the employer making the decision see "Harvard" at the top of the first person's resume and automatically select him? In contrast, some people think the man (or woman) make the university. The other school of thought looks at people who spend their four years of college lying on the college green, cutting class, and going to frat parties. Can people who "waste their four years" at an acclaimed university still find success? You decide: Does the university make the man or does the man make the university?
LISTSERV DISCUSSION QUESTION FIVE (PLEASE RESPOND): Does the university make the man or does the man make the university? For this question, you also may talk about whether or not a high-school student's college essay (personal statement) matters in the overall college selection process.
Friday, October 14, 2011
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In my opinion, I feel that the man makes the University for these following reasons: the university is only a product of the student they produce as alumni. So without high quality student at the university, it would then be no ditterent then, the administration of a public high school, being that anyone can be admited. Furthermore, i feel that depending on where you graduate from can influence where you are able to get a job. For example, look at these two students, one from Harvard Law and another from FSU Law. After graduating from their schools now, they both get job interviews at the same law firm, for one position. Who will get chosen for the job? The candidate from Harvard Law, because his education came from a higher credited school, deeming him to be the better suited canditate for the position. Leading me to my final point being, if a student goes through four years of college by just getting by, yes he will graduate with a degree from his University, and will be able to find a higher paying job
then the average person that didn't go to college. But there is still one draw back, to this student that managed to get by in college is that when he begins functioning in the real working world with his "college degree" , he will be quickly labeled an uncreditable source by his other co-workers , that made their way through college by taking every advantage they could get on their competition, being their classmates preparing for life beyond college.
During today discussion I mentioned how the university makes the man. But when I heard ,Jamal, reason today, i could'nt help but wonder different scenarios during my train ride home. Scenarios dealing with the people applying to the coveted schools. What if all the students that apply to the university are B+ students, instead of the A+ daily intake of applications? Would the University make it's standards less, or would it stay the same? The reason why it's so prestigious is ,because of a trend. High Achiever students apply there, so the college wants high achieving students. It's mainly the reason why businesses wants students from those schools, because they demand more of you. Hence you being smarter than the rest. But, it's certainly not true at all. The A+ students are the reason why those colleges are prestigious. For example, BMCC is a community college in Manhattan, New York. Usually people who apply here, are students that didn't do so well in High School. BUT, i assure you that if more students with a great academic repertoire starts applying there. The school will raise it's academic standards to attract those students. Again the students is making the university prestigious, or in this case community college. Today during class we also spoke about college essays. That if they have a huge impact in your college acceptances. I think they do, but not all students are being truthful of there essays. Students are lying about there experiences to attract admission counselors. I believe it's not fair to all students, because some of us actually wants to write down a truthful experience. But, we are being taken down by lies about a student born in another country. When it's all LIES LIES and more LIES. So for that reason colleges shouldn't focus to much on those college admission essays. If only they had an interview process to verify that "memorable experience," is actually true or not. Until then, let's get back into the old-fashion way. GPA, Extracurricular, and recommendation letters. At least those can be traced back to see if they are true or not.
This is a very controversial question. There can be many different answers to this. In my opinion, i feel that the man makes the University. If you think about it in order to get in colleges you have to have a certain cumulative average. That doesn't necessarily mean that if a college is looking for people with a 90 cumulative average doesn't mean a student with an 85 cumulative average cannot attend. I believe personal statement / college essay has a lot to do with getting into college, it plays a big role.Your personal statement / college can ex[plain why your grades are the way they way they are or why isn't it up to par with the college requirements. Your personal statement/college essay is basically something to prove that you would be a good asset to their school.
This question is one that most people always ask, and in my opinion the man has to make the university, because with out the man the university is nothing. Most colleges are famous and well know because the people whom attended the college made it well known and made it possible for the college to become something more and a better place. So in response to the question the man is who makes the university by bringing change to the university and contributing to it in a positive way.
Does the university make the man or does the man make the university? For this question, you also may talk about whether or not a high-school student's college essay (personal statement) matters in the overall college selection process.
In response to this statement I do agree with Chris Duzens argument; the man does make the university. Is the students who first apply to the school and then they are later accepted. But what the students brings makes the university coming from different backgrounds and parts of the world it is impossible for the university to make the man. See the university works with the man in order to improve the man, it is not always were the university makes the man. The university improves the man in order for the man to later represent the qualities learned from the university. But the man makes the university; see if the man worked efficient and exceed on all his work the man raises the university standard meaning the man makes the university. If everyone worked hard in AGL then we would be the city top school because we the students made the school standards go up. Therefore i belive the man makes the university
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